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listeners what's their are you coming

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through the speakers so as Stefan sorry

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Kira and I are doing sound checks before

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the show starts yes we are and we're off

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to sit on different tables this is some

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sort of City location I think so the one

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host looking forward to the show

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I certainly am I'm really excited to be

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here with all the other skeptics own

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reporters and been meeting a lot of new

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people at the skeptic column it's been a

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great time and they're actually people

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showing up that's a shock I know and and

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I say that mostly because of I know that

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we've got two rooms going at the moment

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and the other room is a really important

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preservation so it's you know really

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great to see people have come to see

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so what do we do for the next few

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we cut the background music everybody

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take a picture that's right I know what

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we can do may nod we can witness a great

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a thing you can ditch the tradition on

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podcasting panels it's called please

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pass me a pass of water and one for

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everybody I can't really know we've got

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there yes

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getting the big thumbs up and it's 2:15

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so ladies and gentlemen welcome to the

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show and to kick things off officially

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it's the podcast from Australia makes

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the science and reason and here are your

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hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan cycle

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hey Richard are you in hello audience

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it's wonderful to be here what a great

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convention this is it's turning out to

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be a fantastic invention it's nice to

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have another skeptic zone live we have

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an iron one formerly done about four and

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the whole 10-year run of the show I

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yeah I'll because they usually turned

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out to be complete disaster at all costs

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all those years ago you and I got

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together at your place and we said I

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will try another podcast

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let's kick one off let's do what did it

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call it ah I was called I am the skin

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deep tank wasn't it yeah that was the

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original one we thought what do we call

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the new show and it was gonna be called

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skip think for a long time and then you

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wrote to me and said why don't we call

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it the skeptic zone it's like the penny

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drops you think you know how many 440

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thousand episodes later this is episode

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number forty thousand four hundred and

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seventy four for the 19th of November

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that's it style is very tireless of you

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is very tired linnaeus live here in the

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little room here we have the other room

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at the convention we have our reporter

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Iran's singer of everybody also joining

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us here at the desk it's the raw skeptic

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Heidi Robertson we have all the way from

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sunny Queensland the diet sceptic

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mandelino ball and being his normal

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goosey self Maynard everybody

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now main ODS sitting down over there so

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he can leap leap forward to ask

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questions or get your questions or any

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responses and he's got prizes to give

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away to anybody he thinks is worthy of a

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prize well I think we're drooping

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afternoon what so what's actually

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install besides that's it thank you and

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all right we're going to have a series

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the skeptic zone you hear each week I

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each week and then we're going to have a

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bit of discussion around some of those

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reports and issues being raised by the

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panel up here at the panel hmm the panel

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at the panel level so we're going to

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yes it's going to be Iran so give a

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grain of salt so take this with a grain

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so so today's segment is going to be a

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actually a little bit of a personal

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myself that you might not have noticed

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I'm a middle-aged white man there I said

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worst being a white man is really

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difficult nowadays we're really

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oppressed we have no rights left our

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butt of a pretty woman who let's face it

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clearly dress that way precisely for the

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purpose of attracting our attention we

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are demonized it's tough okay so that

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was of course satire but it's all funny

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lot of people shockingly not just men

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for whom that's not satire at all that's

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what they think is happening so today

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somebody who's in it in some way I do

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think that the skeptical community has a

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role to play in this area which is why I

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chose to say to talk about this here

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today but it's also because Richard gave

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me permission

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tell you anything that you don't already

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know so why do men complain so well I

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could send I consider myself to be an

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enlightened liberal dad or liberal in

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person of liberal inclinations and I've

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always considered equality very

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important had you asked me 20 years ago

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women you would probably heard me say

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fully aware of how burdensome being a

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male privilege is simply not having to

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worry about many things the women just

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attention women do a lot of men would

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someone you're interested in is great

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to it but clearly women become tolerant

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me stupid or blind or whatever but it's

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something that I haven't figured out

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gap a representation gap a power gap I

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between attention and groping and

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discrimination but when you have to

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constantly deal with all of those where

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your very existence your sex is what

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brings it about it all becomes one thing

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sexism misogyny and when you finally

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realistic indeed indeed it is not fair

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to require that you only rebel against

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the most egregious behaviors and what is

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no more and I dare say most men are

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I hear about some you know a new story

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coming up and but somebody who did

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something 20 years ago and I think to

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myself that that's not fair times were

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different they you know we're judging by

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the study say it's actually not that bad

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that's my impulse to to think that way

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to contend with this kind of behavior

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all the time and I say you know what

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fair enough that is only the start of a

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correction well you're not even a tiny

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bit of the way to where we need to be

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it means I can't say or do whatever they

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past and while I can't recall anything

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very specific I'm pretty sure that there

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would be behaviors in there that would

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make me very unhappy if I'd heard that

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one of my sons engage in those behaviors

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I have three of them but of course

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they're less likely to because times

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have changed and they continue to change

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things change and some people don't like

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change when it means it takes away their

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ability to do whatever they want and

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used to being on the wrong side of so

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many interactions that many of them

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don't even notice it some are waking to

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doing that I believe the women in my

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life haven't told me anything because

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they haven't really noticed that there

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was anything wrong it was not out of the

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ordinary he was just the way things were

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and mostly still are so listen up men I

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know it's hard but frankly you still

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have it really good so

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you should stop complaining and start

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thinking a little bit about what the

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other what what other people around you

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are thinking and going through things

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that used to be acceptable and no longer

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acceptable that's a good thing your

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rights are not infringed upon

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but you having to treat fellow human

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beings as well human beings so why am i

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speaking up because men still have a

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louder voice and it is incumbent upon us

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from our position of privilege to be

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allies to women to support them to

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intervene when other men use their

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oppress them and to help lead lead to a

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I apologize but I will have to step out

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in a few minutes I won't be able to stay

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for the rest of the show well thank you

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for that bombshell is that way you have

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to step out think again sir

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thank you around important issues and

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and one that I think is dawning is that

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the right word I could say the

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realization of dawning an awakening and

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roaming around the world at the moment I

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life and not on Facebook

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chat about on the net and we're actually

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a bunch of humans sitting right here we

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could talk about it and maybe we can

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discuss some of the factors you know or

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solutions or whatever if anyone's got

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any thoughts on that yeah question over

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there may not hi panel oh goodness me I

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have six nieces and as I approach 50 I I

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see in them a distinct change in the way

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they are reacting with their environment

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so I rejoiced that my nieces who are all

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sort of so from 14 to 22 years of age

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have quite a different relationship with

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the world however that said it actually

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highlights the times when that is not

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the case when older generations are

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embarrassing them with a you know to be

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early young lady kind of sentiment and

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it's it actually highlights when those

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behaviors are being from a senior

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position put on to those young ladies I

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have to leave and I just want to say

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something but this just an observation a

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historical observation the last country

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on earth to give women the right to vote

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was Switzerland in 1972 the first one

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was New Zealand in 1897 I believe so

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within less than a hundred years from no

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country in the world giving women the

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vote every country on earth gave women

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to have the right to vote the and that's

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a technical

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change so it was obviously the result of

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a cultural shift but it was a technical

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change which was easy to affect you

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didn't have to influence everybody you

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just have to get governments to do it

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cultural changes take a lot longer

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things are moving in the right direction

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there is a positive change I think

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social media which has a lot to answer

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for is helping in ensuring that people

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are more aware and that the the things

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are going in the right direction but I

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think we have to not be naive as to

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assume that all change will be in that

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right direction and what we should do is

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we should be really mindful of the fact

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that change can go in all kinds of

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different ways and there's all kinds of

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different effects and there's backlashes

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that happen with social change as well

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which is very important we have to be

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careful not to fall back to too old old

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habits but overall I think the the

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direction is clear of more equality and

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and more opportunities I just hope that

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that it happens sooner rather than later

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but I do think that we have to be

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mindful of the things that you've

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mentioned and other negatives that that

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are part of this big change but also be

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optimistic in that we are seeing that

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things are moving in the right direction

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I will join for the end of it you try to

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join us through the end of the show

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coffee runs

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thank you very much okay that was a

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grain of salt with Iran Circuit of

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course raising some very important

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issues now we'll move along to our next

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segment which is if I press the right

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button here

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[Music]

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it's the skeptic report with this this

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is a bit of a change of pace from what

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Iran was talking about slides absolutely

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fly yeah today I'm going to talk about a

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product that's distributed in Australia

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called the mighty shield the mighty

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shield is a device that can be used for

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cats dogs and humans the manufacturers

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claim that it emits ultrasonic waves at

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a frequency of 40,000 Hertz which they

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say will repel grass and paralysis ticks

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and other quote nasty creatures although

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they don't specify what those other

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nasty creatures are if I could get it in

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a second next one picture there they are

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so they sell three devices the sciutto

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for small dogs and cats the mighty tick

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off for pets for large dogs and cats and

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one for humans called the mighty tick

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off for you they all retail for $79 and

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they say one of these lasts for six

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months plus at which point your advise

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to purchase a new one shut up and take

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my money I'd be ticked off too they

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basically state you should not try and

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open the device yourself to change the

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batteries which makes me really want to

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open one see what's inside they claim it

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works for a diameter of 1.5 meters

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around your pet and 3 meters around you

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yourself if you're wearing one oh I did

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a bit of digging around on these devices

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a couple of years ago but then it was

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put on the back burner for various

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reasons I got interested again recently

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for several reasons

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firstly a family member of mine who

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lives on the northern beaches of Sydney

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which is a particularly notorious area

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of fatigues had bought one of these

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after recently suffering quite badly

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from a tick-borne illness called

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tick typhus not not lyme disease

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typhus is a real thing and and he was

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now going to rely on the mighty shield

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for future protection against ticks

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secondly I have lost a much-loved dog to

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a paralysis tick so if an ultrasonic

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tick repeller was proven to be effective

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I'd be the first one in line by one

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thirdly I have a friend who was given a

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homeopathic preparation by a store in my

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region of northern New South Wales for

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his life-threatening severe allergy to

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ticks which they said may negate the

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need for his EpiPen and EpiPen as you

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might know contains a dose of adrenaline

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which is currently the only proven and

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effective treatment for anaphylaxis

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considering anaphylaxis can cause airway

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closure within seconds of exposure to

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the allergen in his case ticks this

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advice is extremely dangerous so that

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story involving my friend reminded me of

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the mighty shield and how unproven

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remedies and devices can have

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potentially fatal consequences one of

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the testimonials on the mighty shield

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website illustrates my concern quote

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after experiencing a tick bite I had an

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allergic reaction and passed out before

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this experience I had numerous tick

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bites over 16 years living in Newport

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and Avalon since wearing this device I

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now have the confidence to go back into

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my yard again now I've worked myself as

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an intensive care ambulance paramedic

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and actually treated people having

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anaphylactic reactions so I'm

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particularly concerned that someone with

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a diagnosed severe allergy to ticks may

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become complacent believing that they

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are wearing a device that will protect

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them if I could go to the next one the

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about Us page of the mighty shield

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website talks about the evolution of the

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device when a bloke named

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that's Carlo and his little dog from

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Germany decided to try for a chemical

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free alternative to tick control for

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dogs he contacted the University of

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Milan and as his story goes they quickly

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developed a working prototype of a

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battery-powered ultrasound generator

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about the size of a packet of cigarettes

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Carlo says he then created a smaller

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device that could be attached to a dog

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dog cat or collar dog dog or cat collar

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the product this product he called the

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sciutto and sciutto is now a separate

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company and has its own website and the

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mighty shield he says has continued his

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amazing journey by providing a device

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for humans to wear so when I rang the

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Australian distributors a couple of

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years ago I identified myself as a

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reporter for a podcast saying I was

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interested in doing a story on their

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product I voiced my concerns to them

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about the product and asked them if they

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could point me to the independent trials

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that were mentioned on the website that

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showed the mighty shield was effective

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against ticks the owners told me that

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the independent trials were simply the

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testimonials our satisfied customers I

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could go to the next site now the

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website claims that the product hang on

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yeah the website claims that the product

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quote was thoroughly tested on dogs

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using appropriate controls and protocol

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at their conclusion the tests verified

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the effectiveness of the ultrasound

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device as a deterrent to ticks and fleas

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end quote it turns out that the testing

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they're referring to here is what was

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done at the University of Milan where

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old mate Carlo had turned to for help

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I've got number 6 so I went to look at

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that paper that looks like oh yes sorry

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that sceeto this is the pseudo web site

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I went to have a look at the paper that

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the mighty shield website had quoted and

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got to this website the SCOOTER website

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you can see a Porsche this is actually

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portion of the paper down here they've

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got this on the clinical studies page of

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the sciutto website we have a picture of

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a professor Claudio

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again she again she I think who was the

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sole author of the study in a nutshell

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back in 1993 professor Ghent she

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performed a study on a grand total of 25

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dogs due to time constraints here I'll

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skip to the conclusion of the paper

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which states that the data are not

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statistically significant and the

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findings were neither peer-reviewed nor

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replicated so anyway I took a chance and

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I wrote to an email to professor get she

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in Italy he still works at the

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University of Milan and I asked if he

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was aware that his paper and his

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photograph were being used on the

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sciutto page as proof that ultrasonic

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devices were effective at repelling

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ticks I didn't really expect him to

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reply but he did a couple of days later

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dear Heidi actually this is a very bad

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story many years ago I did a preliminary

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test with an ultrasound device produced

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by a company different from sciutto

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animal health it was an internal report

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not authorized by both myself or by the

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University of Milan to support the

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product marketing I have never written a

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paper about these results first because

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the trial was not well designed secondly

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because the data was preliminary and it

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needed a repetition in a well-designed

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and controlled to study so the use that

520
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sciutto does and is very good at English

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but I'm speaking word-for-word what he

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wrote so the use that sciutto does with

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such a kind of advertisement is illegal

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and I will notice the situation to the

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legal office of my university

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furthermore I have never authorized the

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publication of my picture to support any

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kind of product I never repeated such a

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kind of experiments and currently I do

530
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not know if the scooters device has the

531
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:37,310
same characteristics of the original one

532
00:25:42,790 --> 00:25:40,250
if you ask me if such a kind of devices

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effectively works against ticks my reply

534
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is I have not enough evidences for such

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00:25:49,150 --> 00:25:46,900
an action

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finally I didn't know that the device

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00:25:52,060 --> 00:25:50,150
was advertised in

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Australia I hope such a clarification

539
00:25:58,620 --> 00:25:55,400
will be useful for year but to this day

540
00:26:00,820 --> 00:25:58,630
the sciutto website remains unchanged I

541
00:26:02,620 --> 00:26:00,830
got in touch with mighty shield again a

542
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few weeks ago this time through their

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00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:04,430
website the company has since changed

544
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hands I explained once more who I was

545
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and asked in the preceding two years had

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any further studies on the mighty shield

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been done they replied asking

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specifically what what I wanted what I

549
00:26:21,670 --> 00:26:20,030
was asking for I reiterated how

550
00:26:23,620 --> 00:26:21,680
concerned I was that someone could have

551
00:26:25,570 --> 00:26:23,630
a fatal anaphylactic reaction if they

552
00:26:27,490 --> 00:26:25,580
were to rely solely on the device and

553
00:26:30,190 --> 00:26:27,500
that I appreciate them directing me to

554
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:30,200
the evidence that supported its use I've

555
00:26:34,990 --> 00:26:33,170
had no reply hmm so there's another

556
00:26:37,660 --> 00:26:35,000
study that both the mighty shield and

557
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:37,670
sciutto websites briefly mentioned it's

558
00:26:43,210 --> 00:26:40,850
a 2002 study out of Brazil again one

559
00:26:45,970 --> 00:26:43,220
study author who looked at the efficacy

560
00:26:49,780 --> 00:26:45,980
of sciutto in preventing re-infestation

561
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:49,790
caused by ectoparasites in Docs after

562
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:51,530
the application of an anti-parasitic

563
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,290
shampoo and to see if the ultrasonic

564
00:26:58,990 --> 00:26:56,240
waves emitted from the sciutto may cause

565
00:27:02,290 --> 00:26:59,000
a stress response from the animal the

566
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:02,300
study involved 20 dogs who were infested

567
00:27:06,940 --> 00:27:05,120
with both fleas and ticks it was found

568
00:27:09,370 --> 00:27:06,950
that the device was well tolerated by

569
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:09,380
the dogs but the results for tick

570
00:27:14,890 --> 00:27:10,930
infestation were again statistically

571
00:27:16,780 --> 00:27:14,900
insignificant the sciutto website goes

572
00:27:19,450 --> 00:27:16,790
to great lengths to show that ticks are

573
00:27:22,510 --> 00:27:19,460
reactive to ultrasound it refers to a

574
00:27:24,910 --> 00:27:22,520
paper from 1976 on the interaction of

575
00:27:27,460 --> 00:27:24,920
ticks with cliff swallows and bats in

576
00:27:29,670 --> 00:27:27,470
Texas there's no mention of ticks being

577
00:27:32,260 --> 00:27:29,680
repelled by certain frequencies at all

578
00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:32,270
certainly no testing of frequencies of

579
00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:34,910
40,000 Hertz and no testing involving

580
00:27:39,910 --> 00:27:37,510
dogs cats or humans in that study

581
00:27:42,820 --> 00:27:39,920
so what literature is there that

582
00:27:44,140 --> 00:27:42,830
supports the use of ultrasonic devices

583
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:44,150
to repel ticks

584
00:27:50,260 --> 00:27:47,600
there's none none that I could find what

585
00:27:52,150 --> 00:27:50,270
I did find the American Academy of

586
00:27:53,890 --> 00:27:52,160
Pediatrics have stated that ultrasonic

587
00:27:57,340 --> 00:27:53,900
devices are not effective repellents

588
00:27:59,800 --> 00:27:57,350
there is a 1991 study examining the

589
00:28:02,290 --> 00:27:59,810
efficacy of ultrasonic pest controllers

590
00:28:02,860 --> 00:28:02,300
for fleas and ticks left that found that

591
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:02,870
activity of

592
00:28:07,690 --> 00:28:04,610
fleas ticks and cockroaches was

593
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:07,700
unimpaired there was a blinded control

594
00:28:11,710 --> 00:28:09,650
trial of an ultrasound device as a

595
00:28:15,030 --> 00:28:11,720
mosquito repellent that found there was

596
00:28:18,340 --> 00:28:15,040
the same thing I found an article from

597
00:28:20,530 --> 00:28:18,350
1981 from a PhD in entomology at Oregon

598
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:20,540
State University who had scathing

599
00:28:25,810 --> 00:28:22,850
remarks about ultrasonic pest devices

600
00:28:28,260 --> 00:28:25,820
including quote testimonials are the

601
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:28,270
only evidence of efficacy they offer

602
00:28:33,730 --> 00:28:31,250
testimonial data such as I tried it and

603
00:28:35,620 --> 00:28:33,740
it worked great is not reliable because

604
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:35,630
it is highly subject to the placebo

605
00:28:40,810 --> 00:28:38,570
effect end quote and another quote I

606
00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:40,820
have not been able to find even one

607
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:42,710
positive test result that has been

608
00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:44,770
published in a scientific journal I

609
00:28:49,450 --> 00:28:46,910
believe it is the responsibility of

610
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:49,460
manufacturers to provide credible data

611
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:52,250
that the devices they sell actually work

612
00:28:56,650 --> 00:28:54,650
otherwise they're unsupported claims are

613
00:28:58,150 --> 00:28:56,660
no better than snake oil in my opinion

614
00:29:00,130 --> 00:28:58,160
I'll make an offer

615
00:29:02,380 --> 00:29:00,140
if published studies do exist and these

616
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:02,390
studies confirm a claimed effect on pest

617
00:29:07,630 --> 00:29:04,880
behavior I'll gladly amend this page and

618
00:29:10,330 --> 00:29:07,640
include the results and there's been no

619
00:29:12,940 --> 00:29:10,340
response to his offer for over ten years

620
00:29:15,610 --> 00:29:12,950
I wrote an email to that doctor from

621
00:29:17,650 --> 00:29:15,620
entomology and to another entomologist

622
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:17,660
from a Queensland University when I

623
00:29:22,810 --> 00:29:20,510
cover my bases both of whom were unaware

624
00:29:25,030 --> 00:29:22,820
of any recent studies supporting the use

625
00:29:26,650 --> 00:29:25,040
of the devices and no reason to think

626
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:26,660
that ticks or mites would be sensitive

627
00:29:31,030 --> 00:29:28,250
or to be repelled by such high

628
00:29:33,970 --> 00:29:31,040
frequencies the Federal Trade Commission

629
00:29:37,299 --> 00:29:33,980
the FTC in America put out a statement

630
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:37,309
in 2001 stating that efficacy efficacy

631
00:29:42,610 --> 00:29:40,010
claims about these products must be

632
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:42,620
supported by scientific evidence and if

633
00:29:46,540 --> 00:29:44,720
manufactures have manufacturers have

634
00:29:48,460 --> 00:29:46,550
misrepresented the benefits of their

635
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,470
products or if their claims are not

636
00:29:54,580 --> 00:29:50,960
properly substantiated they may be

637
00:29:55,780 --> 00:29:54,590
subject to legal action thus far no such

638
00:30:00,130 --> 00:29:55,790
warning has been put out in Australia

639
00:30:02,020 --> 00:30:00,140
but I think it can and should be I've

640
00:30:04,180 --> 00:30:02,030
submitted a complaint to the a Triple C

641
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:04,190
the Australian Competition and Consumer

642
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:07,010
Commission since they deal with false

643
00:30:12,730 --> 00:30:08,690
and misleading claims from businesses

644
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:12,740
and I'm currently waiting on a reply the

645
00:30:16,220 --> 00:30:14,810
mighty shield is a relatively small

646
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:16,230
issue in

647
00:30:21,769 --> 00:30:19,049
the vast array of issues that skeptics

648
00:30:23,779 --> 00:30:21,779
address and there's no doubt that there

649
00:30:25,729 --> 00:30:23,789
are other devices modalities and

650
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:25,739
therapeutic claims that have more chance

651
00:30:31,789 --> 00:30:28,289
of resulting in real-world harm to a

652
00:30:33,710 --> 00:30:31,799
significant number of people however one

653
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:33,720
skeptic can make a difference on one

654
00:30:38,269 --> 00:30:35,970
issue and one skeptic can simultaneously

655
00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:38,279
be working on a variety of different

656
00:30:45,349 --> 00:30:40,769
issues helping to tackle the big ones

657
00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:45,359
like homeopathy chiropractic as well as

658
00:30:50,509 --> 00:30:47,100
these little ones that sometimes fall

659
00:30:51,979 --> 00:30:50,519
beneath the radar if there's anyone in

660
00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:51,989
the audience that has never looked into

661
00:30:57,019 --> 00:30:54,779
a dodgy device or claim and never

662
00:31:00,229 --> 00:30:57,029
contacted a relevant acronym to complain

663
00:31:02,299 --> 00:31:00,239
about it please consider doing it if I

664
00:31:18,649 --> 00:31:02,309
can do it anyone can do it

665
00:31:20,810 --> 00:31:18,659
last slide listening audience Heidi can

666
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:20,820
you explain why we're all laughing I

667
00:31:26,869 --> 00:31:24,330
thought I was being funny last slide is

668
00:31:29,479 --> 00:31:26,879
that as I had he know your parasites

669
00:31:37,070 --> 00:31:29,489
it's got a tick a flea a leech a

670
00:31:39,649 --> 00:31:37,080
mosquito pat robertson and joel osteen I

671
00:31:40,879 --> 00:31:39,659
was just gonna say Heidi Shirley always

672
00:31:42,349 --> 00:31:40,889
claims not being substantiated

673
00:31:43,820 --> 00:31:42,359
everything but surely a common sense

674
00:31:45,979 --> 00:31:43,830
would tell you that our forty thousand

675
00:31:50,539 --> 00:31:45,989
Hertz constant frequency would at least

676
00:31:53,299 --> 00:31:50,549
be mildly annoying to a tick mildly

677
00:31:56,210 --> 00:31:53,309
annoying mildly annoying well the way

678
00:31:58,249 --> 00:31:56,220
the way the website in the frequently

679
00:32:00,109 --> 00:31:58,259
asked questions it says how does it

680
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:00,119
affect ticks and it basically says well

681
00:32:08,029 --> 00:32:05,279
it's like you're in a loud room can't

682
00:32:10,749 --> 00:32:08,039
stand all the loud music so they walk

683
00:32:14,479 --> 00:32:10,759
around drunk but they fall off you

684
00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:14,489
actually what they believe it's actually

685
00:32:18,649 --> 00:32:17,070
saying if these devices are actually

686
00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:18,659
admitting out to sound to start with I

687
00:32:23,239 --> 00:32:21,720
think that would be a good but so if

688
00:32:26,210 --> 00:32:23,249
anyone's got any ideas of that I'm

689
00:32:29,620 --> 00:32:26,220
getting a hold of a product in the trial

690
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:29,630
isn't testing a very small dog would be

691
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:31,970
no it's a great topic bring up Heidi

692
00:32:35,770 --> 00:32:33,410
because there are a lot of products out

693
00:32:38,650 --> 00:32:35,780
there marketed vulnerable people and

694
00:32:40,270 --> 00:32:38,660
people love their pets absolutely I mean

695
00:32:42,730 --> 00:32:40,280
and you do anything

696
00:32:45,610 --> 00:32:42,740
I live in a tick infestation area as

697
00:32:48,430 --> 00:32:45,620
well and I've you know I have lost a dog

698
00:32:55,090 --> 00:32:48,440
to a tick and you do I mean even the

699
00:32:58,299 --> 00:32:55,100
tried and tested and proven methods of

700
00:32:59,950 --> 00:32:58,309
tick control can only go so far they say

701
00:33:02,080 --> 00:32:59,960
the best way it's actually physically

702
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:02,090
check your pets every every day as well

703
00:33:05,620 --> 00:33:04,370
as using these months but if someone's

704
00:33:07,810 --> 00:33:05,630
going to just go oh well this is

705
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:07,820
chemical free and in my area people love

706
00:33:20,980 --> 00:33:18,290
chemical free everything yeah yeah one

707
00:33:23,710 --> 00:33:20,990
particular chemical and they're putting

708
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:23,720
it on their their kids as well what can

709
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:33,440
we go free marijuana things like you're

710
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:36,799
in a room with loud noise and that's

711
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:44,090
what if it's a teenage star rapping over

712
00:33:59,500 --> 00:33:45,890
it that would be fine because you would

713
00:34:01,450 --> 00:33:59,510
sleep till noon well thank you next

714
00:34:03,460 --> 00:34:01,460
segment hasn't got a theme music but I'm

715
00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:03,470
sure you'll understand but before we get

716
00:34:07,090 --> 00:34:04,910
to the next segment I was gonna bring

717
00:34:09,609 --> 00:34:07,100
this up a little bit later but it runs a

718
00:34:11,950 --> 00:34:09,619
grain of salt has prompted me to mention

719
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:11,960
this now when I was preparing for the

720
00:34:17,139 --> 00:34:14,000
live show today because the show is now

721
00:34:18,970 --> 00:34:17,149
in its tenth year we've gone through I

722
00:34:20,109 --> 00:34:18,980
don't think that's the right word or the

723
00:34:22,090 --> 00:34:20,119
right phrase but we've had a lot of

724
00:34:24,540 --> 00:34:22,100
reporters come and go on the sceptic

725
00:34:27,070 --> 00:34:24,550
zone over the years and I did a quick

726
00:34:32,099 --> 00:34:27,080
turning up a quick calculation and over

727
00:34:34,090 --> 00:34:32,109
the length of the show twelve of the

728
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:34,100
reporters which is the best term I

729
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:36,770
suppose for everybody have been females

730
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:39,679
and seven males so the females far

731
00:34:43,020 --> 00:34:41,440
outweighed the males on the

732
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:43,030
get big zone that's that's pretty good

733
00:34:47,809 --> 00:34:44,169
I'm pretty proud of that that's really

734
00:34:54,540 --> 00:34:51,480
and also I want to acknowledge in the

735
00:34:56,609 --> 00:34:54,550
room is Kevin here Kevin down the back

736
00:34:58,050 --> 00:34:56,619
he's uh our guest reporter from time to

737
00:35:03,180 --> 00:34:58,060
time camera at the back hello Kevin

738
00:35:04,530 --> 00:35:03,190
thank you very much he sends us he sent

739
00:35:06,059 --> 00:35:04,540
us some interviews from Canberra of

740
00:35:07,740 --> 00:35:06,069
academics and all sorts of people and

741
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:07,750
his Paulie in the room Paulie

742
00:35:17,370 --> 00:35:09,910
yeah stand up this is going to be our

743
00:35:20,490 --> 00:35:17,380
new reporter next year folks and as you

744
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:20,500
know if you listen to the show I like to

745
00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:23,920
give all my reporters their own thing I

746
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:26,040
think that's a lot of fun and I think

747
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:28,810
and if I haven't got this this way in

748
00:35:34,620 --> 00:35:32,170
the Edit of the show I think I've

749
00:35:36,839 --> 00:35:34,630
written a new theme for dr. Paul II and

750
00:35:40,290 --> 00:35:36,849
I wonder if I've actually got it because

751
00:35:47,780 --> 00:35:40,300
she liked heavy metal banging stuff

752
00:35:47,790 --> 00:35:54,850
yeah let's have a random rent

753
00:36:14,180 --> 00:35:56,260
with dr. Paulie

754
00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:14,190
[Music]

755
00:36:17,809 --> 00:36:16,680
further ado we're gonna move on did I

756
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:17,819
blow up the system there

757
00:36:23,180 --> 00:36:19,650
ah we're back we're back we're back

758
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:23,190
maybe that should be the theme we have

759
00:36:33,799 --> 00:36:26,160
our next segment which is dr. Stefan so

760
00:36:37,010 --> 00:36:33,809
I could dr. Stefan so I go hi hi I'm dr.

761
00:36:39,140 --> 00:36:37,020
Stefan psycho and I do apologize but I

762
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:39,150
am here today to expose you to the

763
00:36:44,890 --> 00:36:41,520
greatest conspiracy ever perpetrated

764
00:36:48,319 --> 00:36:44,900
upon humankind since the moon landing

765
00:36:51,380 --> 00:36:48,329
scientists vested interests Big Pharma

766
00:36:53,299 --> 00:36:51,390
corporate media greenies the Illuminati

767
00:36:55,339 --> 00:36:53,309
and the social justice warriors of the

768
00:36:58,099 --> 00:36:55,349
far left have been hiding a shocking

769
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,109
truth from you we are living in a

770
00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:00,480
parallel universe to the one we thought

771
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,200
we were living in did you know that we

772
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:06,079
are we are

773
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:10,079
yes dear sheeple according to a highly

774
00:37:15,319 --> 00:37:11,970
reputable Russian online news source

775
00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:15,329
that I liked on Facebook on May the 23rd

776
00:37:20,660 --> 00:37:17,849
this year the night before the Large

777
00:37:23,029 --> 00:37:20,670
Hadron Collider supposedly officially

778
00:37:25,609 --> 00:37:23,039
commenced experimenting with proton

779
00:37:27,650 --> 00:37:25,619
proton collisions and perhaps not so

780
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:27,660
coincidentally the same day Roger Moore

781
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:31,170
died a drunk CERN scientists in the

782
00:37:35,299 --> 00:37:32,730
middle of the night cranked up the

783
00:37:38,319 --> 00:37:35,309
collider set it to insane mode and

784
00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:38,329
ripped a subatomic hole in the universe

785
00:37:44,059 --> 00:37:41,160
causing in less than a nanosecond our

786
00:37:46,789 --> 00:37:44,069
entire reality to flip into another

787
00:37:48,529 --> 00:37:46,799
complete set of new dimensions and all

788
00:37:54,260 --> 00:37:48,539
known scientific laws to switch poles

789
00:37:55,849 --> 00:37:54,270
across the ying-yang event horizon now

790
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:55,859
we're not sure that we're not exactly

791
00:38:01,220 --> 00:37:58,170
sure how the old universe is even going

792
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:01,230
anymore but the LHC instruments detected

793
00:38:07,609 --> 00:38:04,609
I'm on a minut Reiki energy burst on

794
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:07,619
either side of the photon collision and

795
00:38:12,140 --> 00:38:09,690
it is believed that the drunk scientist

796
00:38:15,410 --> 00:38:12,150
responsible broke out in a nasty rash

797
00:38:19,220 --> 00:38:15,420
along his acupuncture meridians the

798
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,230
bottom line is we are here now trapped

799
00:38:25,089 --> 00:38:21,359
in a parallel universe and no one wants

800
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:25,099
you to know why because in this universe

801
00:38:30,539 --> 00:38:27,930
homeopathy works

802
00:38:33,779 --> 00:38:30,549
the Salafi works - what's that thing

803
00:38:36,839 --> 00:38:33,789
called that that that tick off thing

804
00:38:39,329 --> 00:38:36,849
that works as well yes and you can talk

805
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:39,339
to the dead and there is nothing better

806
00:38:43,980 --> 00:38:41,049
to treat an incurable disease than a

807
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:43,990
good ear candling and of course at a

808
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:46,450
course of dr. stefan soidiers miracle

809
00:38:51,539 --> 00:38:49,839
one two three cut flush so of course the

810
00:38:54,180 --> 00:38:51,549
Illuminati want to keep this all

811
00:38:55,980 --> 00:38:54,190
hush-hush they'd rather you're convinced

812
00:38:59,069 --> 00:38:55,990
that you are still in the old universe

813
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:59,079
where Big Pharma is in control and the

814
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:01,119
reality worked the way they want you to

815
00:39:07,499 --> 00:39:03,910
think it works but it doesn't anymore

816
00:39:10,109 --> 00:39:07,509
no every rule in this entire universe is

817
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:10,119
reversed and as sure as my head chakra

818
00:39:15,509 --> 00:39:12,249
is now a fully functioning base chakra

819
00:39:17,309 --> 00:39:15,519
time itself is in Reverse though you

820
00:39:18,569 --> 00:39:17,319
can't really feel that because you're

821
00:39:20,249 --> 00:39:18,579
not fully awake yet are you

822
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:20,259
you don't you haven't woken up to this

823
00:39:26,940 --> 00:39:22,960
yet have you no no you're cheap all

824
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:26,950
you're still asleep this we are born out

825
00:39:30,569 --> 00:39:28,569
of what we believe to be the

826
00:39:32,759 --> 00:39:30,579
circumstances of our death and we die

827
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:32,769
the moment our parents egg and sperm

828
00:39:40,620 --> 00:39:37,930
separate see it's hard to wrap your head

829
00:39:42,809 --> 00:39:40,630
around but it's happening people it's

830
00:39:46,370 --> 00:39:42,819
happening the in visible light spectrum

831
00:39:50,370 --> 00:39:46,380
goes from infra violet to ultra red e

832
00:39:52,589 --> 00:39:50,380
equals the square root of MCS the

833
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:52,599
largest known object in the universe is

834
00:39:57,269 --> 00:39:54,970
the singularity inside a black hole and

835
00:40:01,259 --> 00:39:57,279
the smallest is the Hercules Corona

836
00:40:03,749 --> 00:40:01,269
borealis Great Wall silence is deafening

837
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:03,759
and the microphone in this very recorder

838
00:40:08,549 --> 00:40:05,680
I'm using is picking up about three

839
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:08,559
trillion decibels within this room can

840
00:40:12,299 --> 00:40:11,170
you get can you hear it I think we need

841
00:40:14,190 --> 00:40:12,309
to be a little bit louder see if we can

842
00:40:21,210 --> 00:40:14,200
pick up three billion decibel how do you

843
00:40:23,579 --> 00:40:21,220
hear it so quiet so soothing alright

844
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:23,589
it's actually quite comfortable now ice

845
00:40:29,789 --> 00:40:27,249
is hot fire is called in is out down is

846
00:40:32,249 --> 00:40:29,799
up your education began when you

847
00:40:34,229 --> 00:40:32,259
graduated with your PhD and culminated

848
00:40:36,779 --> 00:40:34,239
in you gurgling dribbling and soiling

849
00:40:37,529 --> 00:40:36,789
your nappy are you finally stepping out

850
00:40:39,690 --> 00:40:37,539
of a cheapo

851
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,700
are you can you feel the shocking

852
00:40:47,140 --> 00:40:41,280
alternative reality creeping in

853
00:40:51,290 --> 00:40:47,150
is your mind blown no no no don't worry

854
00:40:57,050 --> 00:40:51,300
there is a solution dr. Stefan seekers

855
00:41:00,020 --> 00:40:57,060
woke face cream with my D registered

856
00:41:01,670 --> 00:41:00,030
trademark anti youthing formula which

857
00:41:04,190 --> 00:41:01,680
will keep you free from tyranny of

858
00:41:05,780 --> 00:41:04,200
oppression and the lizard people and

859
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:05,790
keep you looking older and older every

860
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:09,810
day all with one easy daily application

861
00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:11,910
after a simple - our bark flower face

862
00:41:18,260 --> 00:41:15,720
filthy routine within 10 to 15 years of

863
00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:18,270
using this product the veil will finally

864
00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:20,280
be lifted and you will see the world the

865
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:22,920
same way I do and what a disgusting

866
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:24,930
horrifying and ridiculous perspective I

867
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:27,330
have and I mean that in the parallel

868
00:41:32,510 --> 00:41:29,850
universe good way of course for the

869
00:41:34,070 --> 00:41:32,520
absolutely miniscule price of three

870
00:41:37,220 --> 00:41:34,080
hundred and forty thousand dollars per

871
00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:37,230
tube woke face cream with anti youthing

872
00:41:40,970 --> 00:41:39,540
formula is the perfect remedy to this

873
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:40,980
topsy-turvy world we live in

874
00:41:47,060 --> 00:41:44,090
call me before this announcement began

875
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:47,070
to make sure you completely miss out on

876
00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:49,410
this amazing lack of opportunity

877
00:41:53,330 --> 00:41:52,110
this is dr. Stephan Soyka bidding you

878
00:42:00,400 --> 00:41:53,340
hello

879
00:42:03,110 --> 00:42:00,410
[Applause]

880
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:03,120
some of the best advice i I got was from

881
00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:05,130
dr. Stephan silica what was it to lose

882
00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:06,780
weight you needed the eat less exercise

883
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:10,500
more diet oh then a cigarette I'm gonna

884
00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:13,920
pay money for that kind of advice dr.

885
00:42:18,350 --> 00:42:15,240
Stephan so good thank you very much

886
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:18,360
different than I started doing podcasts

887
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:22,530
and videocast way back in 2002 even

888
00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:26,400
earlier 2001 one possibly so what were

889
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:29,700
you doing near FM 2000 2001 really

890
00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:31,050
that's when we started doing a regular

891
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:37,510
I had 20/20 vision I'm brown here then I

892
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:39,810
won't even talk about my hair it's

893
00:42:45,350 --> 00:42:43,650
alright did you alright that's great

894
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:45,360
thank you and before we get on to our

895
00:42:51,350 --> 00:42:48,930
last report from Andy Lee Noble dr. Paul

896
00:42:53,660 --> 00:42:51,360
II stand up stand up

897
00:42:54,099 --> 00:42:53,670
run over there to the end microphone and

898
00:42:56,049 --> 00:42:54,109
you have

899
00:43:02,019 --> 00:42:56,059
announcement about an upcoming event up

900
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:05,390
my name is dr. Molly I'm the president

901
00:43:10,549 --> 00:43:08,400
of the cocoa skeptics I just wanted to

902
00:43:13,759 --> 00:43:10,559
have a bit of an announcement we we meet

903
00:43:17,959 --> 00:43:13,769
once a month at anglers Arms Hotel in

904
00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:17,969
Southport our next meetup is on the 27th

905
00:43:23,269 --> 00:43:21,209
of November at 6 p.m. at anglers arms

906
00:43:25,999 --> 00:43:23,279
and we do a bit of a dinner and then at

907
00:43:29,329 --> 00:43:26,009
7:30 p.m. we do a talk this month we

908
00:43:31,819 --> 00:43:29,339
have Justin Coleman our from JP skeptics

909
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:31,829
or general practitioner skeptics coming

910
00:43:36,799 --> 00:43:34,319
to talk about overmedication

911
00:43:38,839 --> 00:43:36,809
and why most pills aren't as useful as

912
00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:38,849
they seem for more information you can

913
00:43:43,179 --> 00:43:41,849
go to GC skeptics calm or you can follow

914
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:43,189
us on Facebook

915
00:43:56,539 --> 00:43:54,920
and of course for those listening you

916
00:43:59,029 --> 00:43:56,549
can follow those links or find those

917
00:44:01,579 --> 00:43:59,039
links on this week's show note something

918
00:44:04,479 --> 00:44:01,589
yes okay Pauli is the new president of

919
00:44:07,279 --> 00:44:04,489
Gulf Coast skeptic sandy she represents

920
00:44:08,989 --> 00:44:07,289
the future of skepticism and I would

921
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:08,999
like to encourage more young people

922
00:44:12,019 --> 00:44:10,890
especially women but just generally

923
00:44:13,609 --> 00:44:12,029
younger people to get involved with

924
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:13,619
skepticism because there's so much you

925
00:44:18,259 --> 00:44:15,420
can do and the fact that there's so many

926
00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:18,269
skeptical groups that are older people

927
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:20,670
and that are less active and definitely

928
00:44:25,370 --> 00:44:23,130
less appealing from the perspective of

929
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:25,380
the kind of things they promote to a

930
00:44:27,410 --> 00:44:26,160
younger audience

931
00:44:29,179 --> 00:44:27,420
that is something that needs to change

932
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:29,189
obviously there needs to be a change of

933
00:44:33,799 --> 00:44:31,920
the god and well done to poly for

934
00:44:35,209 --> 00:44:33,809
picking up the mantle at gulf coast

935
00:44:37,459 --> 00:44:35,219
Catholics but I hope more people

936
00:44:39,289 --> 00:44:37,469
listening to this will will do the same

937
00:44:41,989 --> 00:44:39,299
and start being active in their local

938
00:44:44,269 --> 00:44:41,999
groups absolutely alright so we'll move

939
00:44:46,459 --> 00:44:44,279
on to our last report for this afternoon

940
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:46,469
and if this is back together working

941
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:55,620
that looks good enough to eat

942
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:02,160
or does it here's the diet skeptic

943
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:23,410
mandelino ball my name is Mandi Noble on

944
00:45:28,650 --> 00:45:27,250
the diet skeptic and I came here to talk

945
00:45:30,060 --> 00:45:28,660
to you about something I thought would

946
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:30,070
be a bit interesting today especially

947
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:31,690
since we've got the opportunity for

948
00:45:37,410 --> 00:45:35,650
people to some questions so so far for

949
00:45:39,620 --> 00:45:37,420
those who've been listening this year on

950
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:39,630
the diet sceptic I've talked about

951
00:45:47,460 --> 00:45:44,170
coconut oil and MTHFR gene testing a -

952
00:45:48,810 --> 00:45:47,470
milk and water fluoridation but

953
00:45:50,580 --> 00:45:48,820
something that I haven't really touched

954
00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:50,590
on that you might find a bit odd is I

955
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:53,910
haven't talked about any fad diets and

956
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:56,890
that is not due to lack of material I

957
00:46:02,970 --> 00:46:00,640
can assure you in fact or interest in

958
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:02,980
Australia where estimated it's estimated

959
00:46:10,410 --> 00:46:07,930
that will spend 641 million dollars this

960
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:10,420
financial year on weight loss products

961
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:13,210
and weight-loss counseling it's just an

962
00:46:19,710 --> 00:46:16,720
amazing amount but the reason I have not

963
00:46:21,780 --> 00:46:19,720
spoken about any particular fad diet is

964
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:21,790
because I first wanted to share my

965
00:46:30,450 --> 00:46:25,690
belief that all intentional weight loss

966
00:46:33,180 --> 00:46:30,460
for health is pseudoscience now that

967
00:46:35,790 --> 00:46:33,190
includes whether it's from Peter Evans

968
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:35,800
or from a health professional and I know

969
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:37,930
that you're all probably thinking now oh

970
00:46:43,490 --> 00:46:40,480
my goodness this dietitian has had one

971
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:43,500
too many salads because she's not there

972
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:47,290
undermining her profession but I want to

973
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:48,880
assure you that it's completely the

974
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:50,890
opposite I'd like to see health

975
00:46:57,630 --> 00:46:54,610
professionals leave weight loss to the

976
00:46:58,650 --> 00:46:57,640
Wellness gurus such as Pete Evans and

977
00:47:01,550 --> 00:46:58,660
Sarah

978
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:01,560
I quit biochemistry Wilson

979
00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:07,210
and and and Peter Fitzsimmons I think is

980
00:47:11,850 --> 00:47:09,310
another one now who's he's become a

981
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:11,860
wellness guru and for health

982
00:47:17,130 --> 00:47:15,130
professionals to instead start providing

983
00:47:20,010 --> 00:47:17,140
their clients with some evidence-based

984
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,020
health care and advocating for the

985
00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:23,200
health of their clients so where this

986
00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:25,510
all started was about halfway through my

987
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:27,910
degree and I think you've got one quick

988
00:47:36,780 --> 00:47:33,010
slide when I actually went to how NHMRC

989
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:36,790
and looked at the obesity and weight

990
00:47:44,940 --> 00:47:40,260
overweight guidelines well published in

991
00:47:48,210 --> 00:47:44,950
2013 and buried in them on page about

992
00:47:50,670 --> 00:47:48,220
60-something is this statement weight

993
00:47:53,250 --> 00:47:50,680
regain is common after weight loss that

994
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:53,260
is achieved with lifestyle interventions

995
00:47:56,130 --> 00:47:55,690
weight loss is maximal at six to twelve

996
00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:56,140
months

997
00:48:01,620 --> 00:47:58,330
and regardless of the degree of weight

998
00:48:04,050 --> 00:48:01,630
loss most weight is regained within a

999
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:04,060
two year period and by five years the

1000
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:06,310
majority of people are at their pre

1001
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:09,760
intervention body weight and that is

1002
00:48:13,290 --> 00:48:12,910
grade-a evidence now I have to tell you

1003
00:48:15,780 --> 00:48:13,300
that

1004
00:48:17,580 --> 00:48:15,790
grade-a evidence is really hard to come

1005
00:48:21,450 --> 00:48:17,590
by and nutrition and dietetics

1006
00:48:23,460 --> 00:48:21,460
because our governments and our people

1007
00:48:25,170 --> 00:48:23,470
who care about ethics they won't let us

1008
00:48:28,050 --> 00:48:25,180
feed a group of people in a way that

1009
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:28,060
will we think will give them cancer so

1010
00:48:35,250 --> 00:48:31,450
most of our evidence in initiation and

1011
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:35,260
Dietetics is from observational studies

1012
00:48:38,970 --> 00:48:37,570
and those sort of things but this one is

1013
00:48:40,980 --> 00:48:38,980
and you can see it comes from the

1014
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:40,990
clinical practice guidelines for the

1015
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:43,050
management of overweight and obesity

1016
00:48:50,370 --> 00:48:46,480
well that left me with quite a conflict

1017
00:48:52,110 --> 00:48:50,380
as I've been taught to do weight loss

1018
00:48:54,210 --> 00:48:52,120
with people and certainly those those

1019
00:48:56,430 --> 00:48:54,220
guidelines recommend that if you are

1020
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,440
overweight or obese that you should be

1021
00:49:01,650 --> 00:48:58,480
looking at doing some some form of

1022
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:01,660
weight loss however we can clearly see

1023
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:03,850
that that is a bit of magical thinking

1024
00:49:08,070 --> 00:49:06,130
for most people that it's not going to

1025
00:49:12,510 --> 00:49:08,080
be successful and that's why I think

1026
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:12,520
that weight loss is a pseudoscience now

1027
00:49:19,140 --> 00:49:14,800
this is true for about ninety

1028
00:49:21,390 --> 00:49:19,150
five to 90% 90% of people I know what

1029
00:49:23,730 --> 00:49:21,400
you're saying out there that you do know

1030
00:49:25,890 --> 00:49:23,740
someone who successfully lost weight and

1031
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:25,900
there certainly are some statistical

1032
00:49:30,380 --> 00:49:28,240
unicorns out there they're actually so

1033
00:49:34,110 --> 00:49:30,390
rare that they're often given book deals

1034
00:49:37,590 --> 00:49:34,120
appear on our televisions as example

1035
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:37,600
secondly doctors definitely absolutely

1036
00:49:43,140 --> 00:49:40,290
and in America they actually have

1037
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:43,150
National Weight Control Registry for

1038
00:49:48,260 --> 00:49:45,370
people to join who have successfully

1039
00:49:51,540 --> 00:49:48,270
lost 14 kilos and kept it off for a year

1040
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:51,550
however when the researchers looked at

1041
00:49:56,910 --> 00:49:54,010
that registry what they found was that

1042
00:49:59,570 --> 00:49:56,920
most of the people on there are doing

1043
00:50:02,220 --> 00:49:59,580
what I call a bit of white knuckling

1044
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:02,230
that is that most of the people are on

1045
00:50:09,210 --> 00:50:06,370
that registry are eating between 1300

1046
00:50:10,590 --> 00:50:09,220
and 1600 calories a day and if that

1047
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:10,600
sounds to you like a weight loss diet

1048
00:50:15,420 --> 00:50:13,330
that's because it is they're continuing

1049
00:50:18,690 --> 00:50:15,430
on their diet to maintain the weight

1050
00:50:21,330 --> 00:50:18,700
loss and they're doing between 60 and 90

1051
00:50:26,340 --> 00:50:21,340
minutes of intense physical activity a

1052
00:50:28,620 --> 00:50:26,350
day also their regimes and their self

1053
00:50:30,090 --> 00:50:28,630
monitoring is really inflexible so

1054
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:30,100
that's the three things that those

1055
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:31,710
people have in common

1056
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:34,690
so everyone might be feeling a bit down

1057
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:37,450
and thinking oh so what does this mean

1058
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:40,090
for people who are in larger bodies are

1059
00:50:44,850 --> 00:50:42,880
they just going to be have to accept the

1060
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:44,860
fact that they may be less healthy

1061
00:50:50,580 --> 00:50:48,130
however what I'd like to show you now is

1062
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:50,590
a little bit of evidence about people in

1063
00:50:56,490 --> 00:50:52,810
larger bodies that you may not have come

1064
00:51:01,410 --> 00:50:56,500
across so if you could just show that so

1065
00:51:04,700 --> 00:51:01,420
this study came from 25,000 men in the

1066
00:51:07,020 --> 00:51:04,710
aerobics centre the robic centre

1067
00:51:08,940 --> 00:51:07,030
longitudinal study it's quite a good

1068
00:51:11,610 --> 00:51:08,950
study and it's a relationship between

1069
00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:11,620
low cardiovascular respiratory fitness

1070
00:51:17,790 --> 00:51:13,990
and mortality in normal weight

1071
00:51:21,450 --> 00:51:17,800
overweight and obese men and as we can

1072
00:51:24,690 --> 00:51:21,460
see there the bars the shaded in bar is

1073
00:51:27,540 --> 00:51:24,700
for those people who are fit and the

1074
00:51:28,380 --> 00:51:27,550
unshaded bar is for those people who are

1075
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,390
unfit

1076
00:51:34,979 --> 00:51:30,400
and we can see hazard ratio which is

1077
00:51:37,549 --> 00:51:34,989
your risk of mortality is set at one for

1078
00:51:40,019 --> 00:51:37,559
people who are normal weight and fit and

1079
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:40,029
we can see that for people who are

1080
00:51:44,789 --> 00:51:42,609
normal weight and unfit their hazard

1081
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:44,799
ratio is much higher it's in fact it's

1082
00:51:52,529 --> 00:51:48,400
about two point four six however if we

1083
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:52,539
go along and we find the overweight and

1084
00:51:58,259 --> 00:51:54,160
we go we go to from normal weight to

1085
00:52:01,200 --> 00:51:58,269
overweight we see that the hazard ratio

1086
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:01,210
for people who are overweight if they're

1087
00:52:08,430 --> 00:52:05,529
fit is only about 1.1 it's fairly

1088
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:08,440
significant and then you'll has a ratio

1089
00:52:15,029 --> 00:52:11,890
for if you're obese is only about one

1090
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:15,039
point three so far lower than someone

1091
00:52:22,799 --> 00:52:18,160
who is normal weight but unfit and we've

1092
00:52:25,620 --> 00:52:22,809
got one more graph now this one is comes

1093
00:52:27,450 --> 00:52:25,630
from the in-home study which is a really

1094
00:52:31,829 --> 00:52:27,460
famous study in the US and it's produced

1095
00:52:35,220 --> 00:52:31,839
a lot of research papers and it shows

1096
00:52:36,989 --> 00:52:35,230
eleven thousand people on the study for

1097
00:52:39,989 --> 00:52:36,999
an average follow-up of a hundred and

1098
00:52:43,049 --> 00:52:39,999
seventy months so quite some time and

1099
00:52:45,210 --> 00:52:43,059
you can see along the bottom numbers

1100
00:52:47,549 --> 00:52:45,220
zero to four and they represent four

1101
00:52:50,299 --> 00:52:47,559
health habits the health habits are not

1102
00:52:52,829 --> 00:52:50,309
smoking moderately drinking and

1103
00:52:54,539 --> 00:52:52,839
moderately for Australians means one

1104
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:54,549
drink if you're a woman and two drinks

1105
00:53:02,519 --> 00:52:57,249
if you're a men man per day just to

1106
00:53:05,130 --> 00:53:02,529
clarify that it also includes exercising

1107
00:53:07,620 --> 00:53:05,140
twelve times a month just moderately not

1108
00:53:09,809 --> 00:53:07,630
hugely and eating five fruit or veg a

1109
00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:09,819
day and as we can see there are three

1110
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:12,910
bars the first bar is if you are a

1111
00:53:17,849 --> 00:53:14,650
normal weight the second bar is if

1112
00:53:19,289 --> 00:53:17,859
you're so that's up to BMI 25 so

1113
00:53:22,019 --> 00:53:19,299
eighteen point five to twenty five

1114
00:53:24,599 --> 00:53:22,029
second bar is for overweight BMI twenty

1115
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:24,609
five to thirty and the third bar is for

1116
00:53:30,089 --> 00:53:27,970
people who are obese BMI thirty plus and

1117
00:53:32,190 --> 00:53:30,099
as we go along we see that there's quite

1118
00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:32,200
a big difference in the risk for people

1119
00:53:37,470 --> 00:53:34,329
who have no health habits there quite a

1120
00:53:41,730 --> 00:53:37,480
lot higher for people who are in larger

1121
00:53:45,180 --> 00:53:41,740
bodies but when we as we go along those

1122
00:53:47,970 --> 00:53:45,190
risk dropped dramatically and also level

1123
00:53:51,980 --> 00:53:47,980
out to the point where we if you have

1124
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:51,990
those four health habits your risk of

1125
00:53:57,089 --> 00:53:54,310
your hazard risk your risk of mortality

1126
00:53:59,970 --> 00:53:57,099
is the same whether you are BMI eighteen

1127
00:54:02,609 --> 00:53:59,980
point five to twenty five BMI twenty

1128
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:02,619
five to twenty nine point nine or B my

1129
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:08,290
30-plus so most people will be thinking

1130
00:54:15,359 --> 00:54:13,119
well what does this say to us I think it

1131
00:54:17,130 --> 00:54:15,369
says that I'd like to see people not

1132
00:54:19,650 --> 00:54:17,140
getting so much weight centric health

1133
00:54:22,770 --> 00:54:19,660
care and not so much weight bias in

1134
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:22,780
their health care a lot of people might

1135
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:24,730
think that there's no harm in dieting

1136
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:26,890
but it's quite an oculist sort of thing

1137
00:54:30,420 --> 00:54:28,480
to do but that's not the case

1138
00:54:32,609 --> 00:54:30,430
two-thirds of those people who try to

1139
00:54:34,430 --> 00:54:32,619
lose weight will end up at a BMI higher

1140
00:54:37,050 --> 00:54:34,440
than when they started

1141
00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:37,060
a lot of those people have increased

1142
00:54:43,609 --> 00:54:39,310
body dissatisfaction which doesn't

1143
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:43,619
really do great things for our health

1144
00:54:50,220 --> 00:54:46,510
also it's really important to know that

1145
00:54:51,870 --> 00:54:50,230
weight loss is a really big flag for

1146
00:54:53,730 --> 00:54:51,880
something seriously going on with your

1147
00:54:55,980 --> 00:54:53,740
body the reason why our bodies regain

1148
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:55,990
weight is because it's what healthy

1149
00:55:03,420 --> 00:55:00,640
bodies do our scent ancestors their

1150
00:55:05,339 --> 00:55:03,430
bodies regained weight the bodies that

1151
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:05,349
didn't regain weight after effect after

1152
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:11,890
a femine are not our ancestors and they

1153
00:55:16,410 --> 00:55:14,530
really can break so also I'd like to say

1154
00:55:19,579 --> 00:55:16,420
that there's a lot of a lot of weight

1155
00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:19,589
stigma so it's really important and

1156
00:55:24,930 --> 00:55:22,510
people who do lose weight who may be

1157
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:24,940
dieting may not pick up that first flag

1158
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:26,770
that something's really seriously going

1159
00:55:31,620 --> 00:55:29,680
on with their health so I would like to

1160
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:31,630
thank everyone for all their attention

1161
00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:33,760
today and I'd really like to invite

1162
00:55:38,820 --> 00:55:36,310
people to ask me questions and I'd like

1163
00:55:41,010 --> 00:55:38,830
to think oh one more I'll say one more

1164
00:55:43,740 --> 00:55:41,020
slide so I grabbed this off the quack

1165
00:55:46,530 --> 00:55:43,750
watch page and it talks about whether

1166
00:55:48,810 --> 00:55:46,540
pseudoscience where what how we can pick

1167
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:48,820
out a pseudoscience and it says the

1168
00:55:53,060 --> 00:55:50,290
literature is aimed at the general

1169
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:53,070
public and there is no review no

1170
00:55:58,480 --> 00:55:55,410
standards no pre-published verification

1171
00:56:01,370 --> 00:55:58,490
no demand or for accuracy or position

1172
00:56:03,590 --> 00:56:01,380
now I think the literature is a lot

1173
00:56:05,090 --> 00:56:03,600
aimed at aimed at the general public

1174
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:05,100
when we see how many weight loss books

1175
00:56:09,380 --> 00:56:07,530
and that's a theory now looks there's no

1176
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:09,390
real evidence to show that if you take

1177
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:11,610
someone in a larger body and put make

1178
00:56:16,010 --> 00:56:13,170
them into someone in a smaller body that

1179
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:16,020
they would have improved health but that

1180
00:56:18,590 --> 00:56:17,520
would change their risk and the reason

1181
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:18,600
for that is they can't really get a

1182
00:56:23,810 --> 00:56:20,610
cohort large enough for people who can

1183
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:23,820
do that for a long enough time it's one

1184
00:56:29,770 --> 00:56:26,480
of the reasons so results cannot be

1185
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:29,780
reproduced or verified which we've seen

1186
00:56:34,220 --> 00:56:32,370
failures are ignored and I think in this

1187
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:34,230
we are really ignoring the failure of

1188
00:56:40,370 --> 00:56:35,850
people to be able to successfully lose

1189
00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:40,380
weight there's no physical phenomena or

1190
00:56:46,460 --> 00:56:43,730
processes ever found or studied

1191
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,470
convinces by appeal to faith and belief

1192
00:56:50,690 --> 00:56:48,720
and I think that's a really strong one

1193
00:56:52,370 --> 00:56:50,700
with weight loss we are really when we

1194
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:52,380
look at the advertising around it we're

1195
00:56:58,430 --> 00:56:53,970
really trying to appeal to people's

1196
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,440
emotions about weight loss and the last

1197
00:57:02,810 --> 00:57:00,480
one is generally earned some or all of

1198
00:57:05,630 --> 00:57:02,820
its living by selling questionable

1199
00:57:09,140 --> 00:57:05,640
products well I hope that now that I've

1200
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:09,150
been able to explain how I feel about

1201
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,090
weight loss I can now go forward on the

1202
00:57:16,820 --> 00:57:14,640
diet on the skeptic and the diet skeptic

1203
00:57:19,790 --> 00:57:16,830
reports and start unpacking some of

1204
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:19,800
these fad diets and looking at how

1205
00:57:23,610 --> 00:57:22,050
questionable they are so thanks a lot

1206
00:57:27,620 --> 00:57:23,620
everyone

1207
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:27,630
[Applause]

1208
00:57:32,180 --> 00:57:30,450
I had a bit of a question that another

1209
00:57:34,490 --> 00:57:32,190
little podcast three minutes oh yeah I

1210
00:57:35,810 --> 00:57:34,500
can easily obtain second one another

1211
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:35,820
podcast I had a little bit to do with

1212
00:57:39,110 --> 00:57:37,290
the medical podcast there was this sort

1213
00:57:41,780 --> 00:57:39,120
of obesity expert on there and it was it

1214
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:41,790
was aimed at doctors and they said that

1215
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:43,920
a lot of this the actual regulation of

1216
00:57:48,740 --> 00:57:46,050
the way it's wherever you that point

1217
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:48,750
that you get stuck at is this complex

1218
00:57:52,790 --> 00:57:50,490
interaction of all these different

1219
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:52,800
chemical signals and nerves and it's

1220
00:57:58,970 --> 00:57:56,160
very complex system and that even that

1221
00:58:01,220 --> 00:57:58,980
you can still disrupt that slightly with

1222
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:01,230
perhaps a drug that you go well look I'm

1223
00:58:05,690 --> 00:58:03,210
always going to be a hundred K but if I

1224
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:05,700
tweak the complete the complex system

1225
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:08,250
with a drug by baby reducing that urge

1226
00:58:14,180 --> 00:58:10,890
to gobble down the cake or whatever I

1227
00:58:16,130 --> 00:58:14,190
can actually set my my sort of weight

1228
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:16,140
that doesn't change a little bit lower

1229
00:58:21,050 --> 00:58:18,930
well the NHMRC also includes

1230
00:58:23,390 --> 00:58:21,060
interventions such as pharmaceutical

1231
00:58:25,790 --> 00:58:23,400
ones and bariatric surgery and the

1232
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:25,800
pharmaceutical one does take longer to

1233
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:28,650
get back to pre rate but the evidence it

1234
00:58:33,740 --> 00:58:30,720
does have the same weight regain or a

1235
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,750
similar weight regain mean and I think

1236
00:58:37,250 --> 00:58:35,520
that there's a common misconception that

1237
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:37,260
people regain the weight because they go

1238
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:39,210
back to their prior health habits but

1239
00:58:43,250 --> 00:58:41,310
that's not true actually our metabolism

1240
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:43,260
drops deliberately and we've reduced

1241
00:58:47,870 --> 00:58:45,450
hormones and makers hungrier and if we

1242
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:47,880
were to put us our brains in an MRI we'd

1243
00:58:52,730 --> 00:58:50,730
see that if we lost weight we find high

1244
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:52,740
energy foods more attractive so yeah

1245
00:58:56,090 --> 00:58:54,480
that's right that's all that evolution

1246
00:58:58,070 --> 00:58:56,100
keeping us healthy body so healthy

1247
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:58,080
bodies after weight loss regain weight

1248
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:01,200
that's what helps me body's new well

1249
00:59:10,550 --> 00:59:03,090
thank you very much Randy Lee Noble

1250
00:59:13,130 --> 00:59:10,560
everybody well it's about time to wrap

1251
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:13,140
up but before I do so I big thank you as

1252
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:14,880
I often do on the sceptic zone at the

1253
00:59:19,210 --> 00:59:16,770
end of the show oh I didn't run down the

1254
00:59:21,740 --> 00:59:19,220
stairs to get anything to eat this time

1255
00:59:23,930 --> 00:59:21,750
that's okay good try fasting and

1256
00:59:26,539 --> 00:59:23,940
amphetamines that's how I do

1257
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:26,549
looks right I'll have to save that up

1258
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:28,170
for next week a big thank you to all the

1259
00:59:32,539 --> 00:59:30,450
people out there in podcast land in here

1260
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:32,549
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1261
00:59:35,900 --> 00:59:34,770
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1262
00:59:39,319 --> 00:59:35,910
I'm able to do things like buy

1263
00:59:40,819 --> 00:59:39,329
microphones for my reporters I think

1264
00:59:43,370 --> 00:59:40,829
y'all y'all should have a microphone

1265
00:59:45,890 --> 00:59:43,380
just to me yeah that new Tesla is quite

1266
00:59:53,630 --> 00:59:45,900
nice as well as easy for you to listen

1267
00:59:54,799 --> 00:59:53,640
thanks patreon but I want you all ladies

1268
00:59:56,569 --> 00:59:54,809
and gentlemen please join me in thanking

1269
01:00:06,770 --> 00:59:56,579
all our reporters who are here today for

1270
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:06,780
wonderful show a big thank you to the

1271
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:08,400
goose at the end Maynard who's Oh

1272
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:10,410
Maynard you can give out some do origami

1273
01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:13,440
DVDs that you like just feel free go for

1274
01:00:20,539 --> 01:00:18,569
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